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== Carrie and Shawn discussion, 20 March == | == Carrie and Shawn discussion, 20 March == | ||
# Eliminate the sound û, replacing it in the negative prefix with ã. | # Eliminate the sound û, replacing it in the negative prefix with ã. | ||
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# Eliminate ô, respelling as o. Native English speakers are going to diphthong long Os whether we like it or not. | # Eliminate ô, respelling as o. Native English speakers are going to diphthong long Os whether we like it or not. | ||
# We now have this list of weird ones: | # We now have this list of weird ones: | ||
#* ã | #* ã, ä, å, æ, ø, õ, ö, ü | ||
# Now, ä and ü match their German counterparts. Tri ø matches German ö; Tri ö is the only u-diphthong on this list, so let's swap the glyphs ø and ö, so now all three of ä ö ü match the German ones, and ø (the only slashed letter) is unique as the only u-diphthong. | # Now, ä and ü match their German counterparts. Tri ø matches German ö; Tri ö is the only u-diphthong on this list, so let's swap the glyphs ø and ö, so now all three of ä ö ü match the German ones, and ø (the only slashed letter) is unique as the only u-diphthong. | ||
# These remain: | # These remain: | ||
#* ã | #* ã, å, æ, õ, ø now as /au/ | ||
# Ways to spell the /æ/ sound, as in "cat" or "hat" in languages using Latin letters: Most commonly by far are < a >, < ae > or < æ >, or < ä >. | # Ways to spell the /æ/ sound, as in "cat" or "hat" in languages using Latin letters: Most commonly by far are < a >, < ae > or < æ >, or < ä >. | ||
# The reasonable options for that sound, given that < ä > is | # The reasonable options for that sound, given that < ä > is now going to match German, are: ring (å), breve (ă), circumflex (â), or aesch (æ). | ||
# A-ring has the virtue of being the only letter in European languages which uses the ring diacritic, and so it's kinda unique; furthermore, it has Triparik historic warrant. So let's keep it for now. | # A-ring has the virtue of being the only letter in European languages which uses the ring diacritic, and so it's kinda unique; furthermore, it has Triparik historic warrant. So let's keep it for now. | ||
# These remain: | # These remain: | ||
#* ã | #* ã, æ, õ, ø now as /au/ | ||
# If we like the three umlaut vowels because German, why wouldn't we like æ because Latin? Then these remain: | # If we like the three umlaut vowels because German, why wouldn't we like æ because Latin? Then these remain: | ||
#* ã | #* ã, õ, ø now as /au/ | ||
# Now for the /au/ diphthong, we consider the breve because it looks like a little "u", and then between "ă" because it's -au- in both German and Latin, or "ŏ" because this is closer to As She Is Writ, and based on some testing Carrie likes ă better and although Shawn likes historical warrant he doesn't feel too strongly on this particular one, so we lean towards saying /au/ is written "ă". | # Now for the /au/ diphthong, we consider the breve because it looks like a little "u", and then between "ă" because it's -au- in both German and Latin, or "ŏ" because this is closer to As She Is Writ, and based on some testing Carrie likes ă better and although Shawn likes historical warrant he doesn't feel too strongly on this particular one, so we lean towards saying /au/ is written "ă". | ||
# That leaves: | # That leaves: | ||
#* ã ( | #* ã (''hut, cut, but, tongue'') (as in '''tãng'''), õ (oi) (as in '''jõnt''') | ||
# Screw it, ø is a historical Triparik letter, and the slash even looks kinda like an I or part of a Y. So: drøt, jønt, driføl, etc. But, ô is also an original letter, and maybe the Prince of Grønbjerg hates being confused with Groinbyerg, so we can also accept jônt, drifôl, etc. We should run this by Alan. | # Screw it, ø is a historical Triparik letter, and the slash even looks kinda like an I or part of a Y. So: drøt, jønt, driføl, etc. But, ô is also an original letter, and maybe the Prince of Grønbjerg hates being confused with Groinbyerg, so we can also accept jônt, drifôl, etc. We should run this by Alan. | ||
# And since we decided hacek is palatal and Enye is now ň, we can keep the ã. | # And since we decided hacek is palatal and Enye is now ň, we can keep the ã. | ||
'''Alan must help decide:''' ă or ŏ for /au/, and ø or ô for /oi/. | '''Alan must help decide:''' ă or ŏ for /au/, and ø or ô for /oi/. | ||
Latest revision as of 18:29, 29 May 2022
Carrie and Shawn discussion, 20 March
- Eliminate the sound û, replacing it in the negative prefix with ã.
- Eliminate the sound î, replacing it with å or i per root.
- Respell ê with ä in all places.
- Eliminate ô, respelling as o. Native English speakers are going to diphthong long Os whether we like it or not.
- We now have this list of weird ones:
- ã, ä, å, æ, ø, õ, ö, ü
- Now, ä and ü match their German counterparts. Tri ø matches German ö; Tri ö is the only u-diphthong on this list, so let's swap the glyphs ø and ö, so now all three of ä ö ü match the German ones, and ø (the only slashed letter) is unique as the only u-diphthong.
- These remain:
- ã, å, æ, õ, ø now as /au/
- Ways to spell the /æ/ sound, as in "cat" or "hat" in languages using Latin letters: Most commonly by far are < a >, < ae > or < æ >, or < ä >.
- The reasonable options for that sound, given that < ä > is now going to match German, are: ring (å), breve (ă), circumflex (â), or aesch (æ).
- A-ring has the virtue of being the only letter in European languages which uses the ring diacritic, and so it's kinda unique; furthermore, it has Triparik historic warrant. So let's keep it for now.
- These remain:
- ã, æ, õ, ø now as /au/
- If we like the three umlaut vowels because German, why wouldn't we like æ because Latin? Then these remain:
- ã, õ, ø now as /au/
- Now for the /au/ diphthong, we consider the breve because it looks like a little "u", and then between "ă" because it's -au- in both German and Latin, or "ŏ" because this is closer to As She Is Writ, and based on some testing Carrie likes ă better and although Shawn likes historical warrant he doesn't feel too strongly on this particular one, so we lean towards saying /au/ is written "ă".
- That leaves:
- ã (hut, cut, but, tongue) (as in tãng), õ (oi) (as in jõnt)
- Screw it, ø is a historical Triparik letter, and the slash even looks kinda like an I or part of a Y. So: drøt, jønt, driføl, etc. But, ô is also an original letter, and maybe the Prince of Grønbjerg hates being confused with Groinbyerg, so we can also accept jônt, drifôl, etc. We should run this by Alan.
- And since we decided hacek is palatal and Enye is now ň, we can keep the ã.
Alan must help decide: ă or ŏ for /au/, and ø or ô for /oi/.