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# Ways to spell the /æ/ sound, as in "cat" or "hat" in languages using Latin letters: Most commonly by far are < a >, < ae > or < æ >, or < ä >.   
# Ways to spell the /æ/ sound, as in "cat" or "hat" in languages using Latin letters: Most commonly by far are < a >, < ae > or < æ >, or < ä >.   

Revision as of 02:13, 21 March 2016

Consonants

Single letters

b, d, f, h, j,
k, l, m, n, p,
r, s, t, v, w, z
as most commonly used in English
c Always /k/ before a, o, u; always /s/ before i, e
g Always hard, as in English get
q Only occurs as part of a digraph qu representing the cluster /kw/
x As in English axe, except at beginning of words, where it is pronounced as z
y When before a vowel, consonantal as in English, like yet

Digraphs

There are two acceptable orthographies for consonants: digraphs, and accented letters. A given text should consistently use one or the other.

Digraph Accented Sound
cz č As in English church
sz š As in English shoe
nz ň As the ny in English canyon
dz ð As the th in English that
tz þ As the th in English think

Vowels

Original IPA Sound Old Triparik
a, e, i, o, u /a, e, i, o, u/ As their common pronunciation in Romance languages Unchanged
y /i/ When used vocalically, usually at the end of words, pronounced like i Unchanged
ä /eɪ̯/ as in English hate ä, ê
å /æ/ as in English hat Unchanged
ã /ʌ/ as in English hut Unchanged
ă /aʊ̯/ as in English out ö
æ /aɪ̯/ as English aye Unchanged
ö /œ/ as in German Göttin ø
ø /ɔɪ̯/ as in English boy õ
ü /y/ as in German müssen Unchanged

Sounds eliminated in 2016 Reforms

Original IPA Sound
î /ɛ̃/ nasal "i"
ô /o̞ʊ̯/ as in English boat
û /œ̃/ nasal "u"

Carrie and Shawn discussion, 20 March

Points:

  1. Eliminate the sound û, replacing it in the negative prefix with ã.
  2. Eliminate the sound î, replacing it with å or i per root.
  3. Respell ê with ä in all places.
  4. Eliminate ô, respelling as o. Native English speakers are going to diphthong long Os whether we like it or not.
  5. We now have this list of weird ones:
    • ã
    • ä
    • å
    • æ
    • ø
    • õ
    • ö
    • ü
  6. Now, ä and ü match their German counterparts. Tri ø matches German ö; Tri ö is the only u-diphthong on this list, so let's swap the glyphs ø and ö, so now all three of ä ö ü match the German ones, and ø (the only slashed letter) is unique as the only u-diphthong.
  7. These remain:
    • ã
    • å
    • æ
    • ø (in case we come up with some other way to write it)
    • õ


  1. Ways to spell the /æ/ sound, as in "cat" or "hat" in languages using Latin letters: Most commonly by far are < a >, < ae > or < æ >, or < ä >.
  2. The reasonable options for that sound, given that < ä > is used already, are: ring (å), breve (ă), circumflex (â), or aesch (æ).
  3. A-ring has the virtue of being the only letter in European languages which uses the ring diacritic, and so it's kinda unique; furthermore, it has Triparik historic warrant. So let's keep it for now.
  4. These remain:
    • ã
    • æ
    • ø (in case we come up with some other way to write it)
    • õ
  5. If we like the three umlaut vowels because German, why wouldn't we like æ because Latin? Then these remain:
    • ã
    • ø (in case we come up with some other way to write it)
    • õ
  6. Now for the /au/ diphthong, we consider the breve because it looks like a little "u", and then between "ă" because it's -au- in both German and Latin, or "ŏ" because this is closer to As She Is Writ, and based on some testing Carrie likes ă better and although Shawn likes historical warrant he doesn't feel too strongly on this particular one, so we lean towards saying /au/ is written "ă".
  7. That leaves:
    • ã (hUt, cUt) (as in tãng)
    • õ (oi) (as in jõnt)
  8. Screw it, ø is a historical Triparik letter, and the slash even looks kinda like an I or part of a Y. So: drøt, jønt, driføl, etc. But, ô is also an original letter, and maybe the Prince of Grønbjerg hates being confused with Groinbyerg, so we can also accept jônt, drifôl, etc. We should run this by Alan.
  9. And since we decided hacek is palatal and Enye is now ň, we can keep the ã.

Alan must help decide: ă or ŏ for /au/, and ø or ô for /oi/.